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Mar 10
2010

I just came back from meeting God!

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Jae

I hate people who say things like "I just came back from meeting God,"

especially when I never meet God myself.

But this time, it was me!

So I will proudly boast in this ever rare moment of something, I felt, was so supernatural. 

There is this Wednesday Prayer meeting I go to every week that is organized by a group called YNYA. They are a ministry of mostly Korean speaking young adults in LA.

I'm not sure if you have ever had the privilege of going to a Korean Service mid-week, but it is pretty intense.

Do not let them fool you.

It is NOT a service, it is a prayer meeting no matter how much they insist otherwise. Prayer is interrupted by praise time.  Prayer is partnered with a sermon. Prayer is aided by more praise time. It is not the other way around like in the English Ministries. 

 

 At this particular meeting, I was trying desperately not to fall asleep.

I had just eaten 15 minuts ago, a delicious burrito with a side of spicy carrots and jalapenos. (my mouth is watering at the moment)

My lips were burning under the chap stick I had smeared on from the jalapenos, and my eyes were droopy and drowsy.

And I just sat in the corner pew like I always do, alone.

My mind was clear. My thoughts were on the PAPA prayer (Larry Crab's method) of trying to reach God before asking anything from God.

"Lord I'm here. I came to know you. I came to reach you.

I came to exalt you as in the opening of the Lord's prayer,

'Our Father, hallowed be your name.'

I want to just sit still and listen in case that you might talk." 

 

My lips were still burning. That Jalapeno was still kicking my butt 30 minutes later, but I kept my eyes shut and focused.

Praise music in Korean words describing God continued in the periphery.

 

The young head pastor, Pastor Young, took the mic and said,

"Let us no longer think of us in God.

Let us begin to think of God in us." 

He preached of having the heart of David,

of how David boldly spoke to Goliath about what his "Almighty God" will do to him.

David didn't think of himself. David thought of God. 

And David was able to see that GOD would kick Goliath's butt, that Goliath was going to have to step up to GOD not David.

 

I have had the honor of reading Blackaby's amazing amazing devotional "Experiencing God" for the last few months, but IT didn't hit me like this.

Every day the devotional would essentially tell him to focus on God and not myself, but finally it hit me with a ton of bricks,

"I should no longer think of how I am in God,

but start to think about the God in me.

Or even simply, forget me, and just think about God."

 

God is GOD. He's God!

If I can sing the psalms of David that

"I long to know him, and my body aches to know him,"

I will begin to see how big God really is.

And when I do finally see God for who he is,

then he start to BE HIMSELF in my little tiny body called Me.

 

Pastor Young then said,

"David praised God for his entire life,

so you shall too.

Worship will lead you to become a Warrior."

Makes sense, because worship is God-centered.

To be a warrior means to be fearless, because others

will fear you, or more specifically, the God in you. 

 

After that revelation, God continued to speak. He spoke into my mind.

They were not audible words, but they started in my thoughts.

Thoughts of how I need to give up things.

"Lord I give up my new place of living. Lord I give up my unwillingness to move to a city of the homeless. Lord I give you my worries of wife and marriage and frailty. Lord I give you my inadequacies of career and success. Lord I give you my shame and my past and my shamefulness toward my past toward my broken family. Lord I give you my manhood or the lack thereof. Lord I give you my love for sex, love for lust, love for immorality. I give you my deep dark desire to hang onto sex, lust, and other immoral cravings. I give you my deep down knowledge that I cannot overcome sex, lust, immorality. I give you my trust that you are God, and you will overcome them. You will who began a good work in me carry it on until the day of Jesus Christ. You not I."

"Jae, surrender every area of your life. And when the doubt pops up that you will go back to your normal life of worldly flesh, give that up too! Lord I pretend to surrender my life and if I continue to pretend, you will begin to change me. You see my heart even though I have not yet surrendered all those things I said I do in my prayers."

and the Lord said,

"Jae,

Do not care any longer about what other people think,

Now care about what I think."

"Do not CARE any longer about what OTHER people think,

Now care about what I (God your Father) think."

 For some reason, I repeated this in my mind.

And the more I repeated it. The more it meant to me.

 

I realized how MUCH I care about what others think.

and how MUCH I don't care about what God thinks.

I realized each statement on its own can affect my life tremendously.

And realized how both statements together can change my life entirely.

 

Through all of these thoughts, or "voices" in my mind,

I was streaming tears.

I did not really move my lips. I did not manufacture words that I did not have.

I tried to speak in tongues (as I had thought I had reacquired last week),

but was not sure if they were really Tongues, as I whispered gibberish.

It may be gibberish, but it was okay because I wasn't trying to show off to others or to God that I had some special gift.

I was only trying to reach God, and nothing more. 

 

But mostly, I just sat with my eyes closed.

And there was heat like there usually is (during intense prayer) directly on my face.

And I feel like I'm not breathing well. Something is so stuck on my face,

and my throat. In prayer, oddly these sorts of things do not bring discomfort. It just comes with the territory.

 There's a warm radiance of God ON and around my face.

And in my mind there are doubts that creep up of course.

"Jae, this is only a temporary prayer you will forget the moment you walk out of here."

Possibly, but it does not discount Him, and my encounter with Him. 

 Just as if you met a celebrity, and never met him again in your life.

This is different, of course.

My doubts (or the demons) say that there should be immediate change in behavior, immediate surrender, immediate righteousness that follows after such prayers.

No, tonight I am reminded. It is GOD's work.

It is HIS activity. HE will take care of me, or whatever he wants to do with me.

I’ll show up and take care of you as I promised and bring you back home. I know what I’m doing. I have it all planned out—plans to take care of you, not abandon you, plans to give you the future you hope for. 

- Jeremiah 29 

More important, it is not ME persay. It is what God wants.

God will do what He will. I am just here as a vessel.

I just let him be him. 

Think God. God. God. God. God. God. God.

And slowly, I will begin to forget about me.

And the hope is that when all is said and done in my stay on earth,

His work was done and completed in my life. 

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pkwak wrote on March 11, 2010
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Awesome!!!
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jsub wrote on March 14, 2010
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Hi Jae,
I'm curious, it's been 3 days now. How have your desires for Christ changed after this experience?

Like your previous self, I'm not much into people who say "I just came back from meeting God."
However, it's not because I have never met God and am jealous of so (In heaven, we'll get to glory God forever), but it implies one of two things.
1. It was a physical encounter, meaning you saw (with eyes/dream) God. Exodus 33:19-23 says otherwise and either makes God or the one who encountered a liar.
But giving the benefit of the doubt that one has "seen/met" God, how does God look like?

2. It was a metaphorical encounter, which isn't really "meeting" God, is it? If the Holy Spirit came like/as a dove, that doesn't mean the Holy Spirit is a dove.

Personally speaking, I'm not sure what the hype is of "meeting" God. We already have His full revelatory word in Scripture, which is "useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" (2tim 3:16) Is this "meeting" of God absolutely necessary?
Did Christ say to his disciple to go forth to all the nations to have moments of "meeting" God?
Or was his command to go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them, and teaching them to obey everything commanded to the true disciples?

"My doubts (or the demons) say that there should be immediate change in behavior, immediate surrender, immediate righteousness that follows after such prayers."

Perfection is not immediate (none of us are, if we are honest), but repentance must be immediate.

The disciples immediately left their nets and father to follow Christ.
Women at well immediately and went back to tell her neighbors about Christ.
Rich young ruler could not immediately follow Christs command to forsake his riches.
Pharisees would not consider their bigotry and instead immediately sought Christ's death than the immediate action required of their soul.

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Jae Yoo wrote on March 15, 2010
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jsub,
thanks for reading.
very well-written.

i agree with you on many counts.
first, far too many people "meet" God and do nothing about it.
second, "meeting" God in a particular emotional or prayer-filled manner
is not necessary. I know a brother (BP) who is in a constant state of obedience
but isn't the biggest prayer warrior. I would consider him to be more a man of consistent faith, which is a life of obedience.

I will say personally I need these moments.
It not only reminds me that God and the Holy Spirit is real,
it also changes me from deep within without my knowledge.
It's an old heater from within my walls. Before I know it,
the room is getting warmer and warmer.
I do not necessary "have to" per say be repentant,
because what am I being repentant for exactly?
If there is a particular sin on my conscience, I will pray for those;
however, a warm room will touch each of those nasty things in the room that are hidden under the bed, in the closet, within the cabinets.

Over the course of one year since I have been consistent with the Word and prayer, I have seen a difference in myself. It has been a quiet inside out change. Slowly the inside changes (romans 12) has been making slow changes in my outward behaviors.

I once heard pastor Young say,
"A pastor once told me not to cry,
instead clench your teeth,
and promise God before you leave this room
that you will not stay the same."

If you can do this, you are far better off.

In addition,
I think your question stems from looking outward toward other believers,
when you should look inward.

There will always be a "better" Christian than I, or better human being.
There will always be someone of the same background that appears to be closer to God.
There will always be someone who seems to meet God, or have more of his blessings.

God just wants to see your talents, and what you've been given, and what you're going to do with it.

A spirit of comparison will destroy every one of us.
A spirit of edification will build up each of us.



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jsub wrote on March 15, 2010
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Hey Jae,

Thanks for responding.

Like yourself, I too am in a constant need of reminders that God and the Holy Spirit is real. In fact, as Christians we all do. That’s why I have to read God’s word continually to regurgitate on what He has to say. So as far as having the experience of God, I’m content with what He’s allowed me to read in His word.

I’m glad that over the past year span you have seen a difference in your life. Again, a motto I live by is: It’s all about progression, not perfection. Christ came to the sick not to the well. Perfect people do not find the need of a Savior.

Repentance, however, I would argue is the most important step in living a Christ centered life. It’s one of the key things that set us apart from the world. Unbelievers do not repent, but Christian do. Unbelievers do not fight sin, but Christians do. Sure repentance may not come instantly after a sin, but it becomes much more difficult, if not impossible, to worship God if you are in sin. When we praise God, we can only offer true worship when we are pure in heart.

Isaiah 1:10-18 Take a close look at v15 and 16. Despite the Israelites (long) prayers, they were meaningless before God, because they were not pure in heart. Repentance is important.

But just to revisit the “meeting with God” idea, I personally find it intriguing that in the Bible, no one who has indeed been in the presence of God (recorded in Scripture) find it pleasing or find it a warm and fuzzy experience. Instead it records of the fear, the “woe is me” attitude, and an immediate face on the floor to the Holy God. There’s shame in sin and when we are in the presence of God we feel the weight of His eternal holiness against our sinful state. Of course, this will change when we are in heaven with a new body as we will no longer be ashamed of sin, but as believers in our fallen state there should be a respectful fear to the Lord.

Finally, you are absolutely right about Christianity not being a leader board kind of faith. After all, it was the pride of the disciples of wanting to know who would be the greatest in heaven that Christ rebuked. Nevertheless, there is a healthy form of building one another up by constantly examining ones faith 2 Cor 13:5
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